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13 Responses to A new approach for Metadata with ArcGIS 10 (part 3)

  1. ksjosh82 says:

    As crazy as it seems to the metadata community, some GIS professionals have no interest in or requirement to create standards-compliant metadata

    I must say I am a little offended by this statement. I have little interest in creating standards compliant metadata mostly because I rarely distribute the data to outside organizations. Not much sense in going to the trouble of proper formatting if nobody is going to read it. I still try to maintain metadata and it generally is in one of the standard forms but that is only by design of the software.

  2. avienneau says:

    What can I say? Some people evangelize metadata standards as the answer to all. Some people point to Google and other examples to make the case that you can get a lot done without following any standards. The ArcGIS user community consists of people who traverse the spectrum of opinions relating to metadata and we need to support them all. With the changes made in ArcGIS 10 we have a good opportunity to meet all of their requirements without compromising the ability to share information.

  3. trishmerz says:

    Any plans to include an ANZLIC compliant translator?

    See following post:
    http://forums.arcgis.com/threads/11229-metadata-and-anzlic-compliance

  4. Randy_NRG says:

    My experience with Item Description for Script Tools has been extremely disappointing.

    I cannot edit it from ArcMap (I can, but only bare-bones summary info…Have to go to ArcCatalog for detailed info.)

    I cannot add graphics anymore. I can, but they show up inconsistently.

    Sometimes, edits I make in ArcCatalog do NOT show up in ArcMap. I can see them in ArcCatalog, but not in ArcMap.

    In one instance, a detailed explanation of a script shows up that is a “leftover” from the script I started with. It needs to be updated, but I cannot find it anywhere. It is not in the tool Properties. It is not the “Summary” explanation from Item Descriptoin. It’s in there somewhere, and I’ll keep digging until I find it.

    This thing has really been a mess.

  5. avienneau says:

    When you are in ArcMap, make sure you open the tool’s description from the Catalog window, not the ArcToolbox window. It is a known issue that if you open the Item Description window from the ArcToolbox window it will show the description for the selected item in the Catalog window, *not* the description for the selected tool in the ArcToolbox window.

    If you open the tool’s description from the Catalog window in ArcMap you’ll see the process of editing the tool’s description is exactly the same in the Item Description window as in ArcCatalog. If this is not your experience then I suggest you contact support.

    The Item Description page in the editor will only show the controls for describing tools if the selected item in the Catalog is actually a tool.

  6. SarahFalzarano says:

    Can you describe backwards compatibility? Will metadata authored in v10 be readable in v9x? Will metadata authored in v9x, then editted in v10 be readable in 9x?

  7. curtvprice says:

    I just had some back and forth with tech support on this. avienneau
    chime in if I am misunderstanding something.

    1. CSDGM2-format (“FGDC Metadata”) created in 9.3.1 can be stored viewed in 10.x. The FGDC metadata is stored “parallel” with the ArcGIS metadata. You need to turn on the FGDC stylesheet (ArcMap/ArcCatalog Options / Metadata tab) to see it. This stylesheet was released as a patch to 10.0 final and is included in ArcGIS 10 SP 1
    and later.
    2. A “legacy” FGDC metadata editor is available for editing existing 9.3.1 metadata. It does not support “refresh” from the dataset, if you want to populate FGDC metadata you need to use ArcGIS 9.3.1.
    FGDC metadata may be imported (“upgraded”) to ArcGIS metadata, but information will be lost – as the new ISO 19139 standard does not support some FGDC elements and the importer is targeted to ISO 19139.
    http://blogs.esri.com/Dev/blogs/arcgisdesktop/archive/2010/06/25/FGDC-Metadata-Editor-for-ArcGIS-10.aspx
    3. FGDC metadata may be imported (“upgraded”) to ArcGIS metadata, but information will be lost – as the new ISO 19139 standard does not support some FGDC elements and the importer is targeted to ISO 19139.
    4. A translator is provided to go the other way – export FGDC metadata from an ArcGIS metadata record. If FGDC metadata exists (either from editing in 9.3.1 or using the Arc 10 9.3.1-editor addin, most of them are included in the “translated” output.

  8. avienneau says:

    Responding to SarahFalzarano: This topic needs to be the subject of its own separate post because I can’t do it justice in comments. While we may provide the ability to see ArcGIS 10 metadata in previous versions of ArcGIS, the content would be read-only. If what you really need to do is share your data and metadata created in ArcGIS 10 with someone who has a previous version of ArcGIS and they need to be able to edit the metadata, this is an entirely different problem. Possible, but not something I can describe in 100 words or less.

  9. avienneau says:

    Responding to curtvprice:
    1. Yes and no. It isn’t actually necessary to use the FGDC CSDGM Metadata style to see any 9.3.1 FGDC metadata that is present. Any metadata style provided with ArcGIS 10 except for Item Description will show this content under the FGDC Metadata heading.

    It is important to recognize that the patch that provided FGDC support for ArcGIS 10 did so by providing a new metadata STYLE. Metadata styles are a new concept in ArcGIS 10. One property of a metadata style governs the display of metadata using a STYLESHEET. Metadata styles and metadata stylesheets are not synonymous. The patch, which is also included in SP1, does not actually provide a new stylesheet for viewing metadata. It provides a new metadata style that configures ArcGIS 10 to handle metadata content in a manner that is appropriate for the FGDC CSDGM standard.

    2. Yes. The FGDC metadata editor add-in lets you edit content stored in FGDC XML elements, which are visible under the FGDC Metadata heading. This content will not be automatically updated when the data changes. It also can’t be exported or validated using the buttons in the Description tab or on the Metadata toolbar in ArcCatalog.

    3. No. Our intent is for ArcGIS metadata to include all FGDC metadata content. If you upgrade FGDC metadata to ArcGIS metadata, in general, information should not be lost in the process. Sure, there are some fixes we need make, and there is room for discussing semantics about things that are similar but not identical, but in general there should be no significant loss of information.

    4. Yes and no. I refer you to this graphic from part 2: http://downloads2.esri.com/blogs/images/dev_22115.jpg. The ArcGIS metadata editor in the Description tab edits the big blue stovepipe’s ArcGIS metadata XML elements; this includes any 9.3.1 FGDC metadata content that was upgraded to version 10. The FGDC metadata editor add-in edits content in the FGDC XML elements associated with the little yellow stovepipe’s footprint in this diagram. The attribute descriptions that are shared between the two is the content where these two footprints overlap.

    The Export button on the Description tab takes content from the big blue stovepipe and uses a translator (provided by the patch) to create an FGDC XML file from it. The translator doesn’t at all interact with the yellow footprint content edited by the FGDC metadata editor add-in except for attribute descriptions, which are shared between the two.

  10. jbocchino says:

    In previous versions of ArcGIS, and with regards to an enterprise GIS, the metadata was stored in the GDB_UserMetadata table. Has this changed? We have used an online dll that is basically a “metadata viewer” that works within a customized ArcMap environment. Perhaps an add-in that can do this and give the capability to show different stylesheets as before?

  11. avienneau says:

    The internal structure of a geodatabase changed with ArcGIS 10 as described in this Help topics: http://help.arcgis.com/en/arcgisdesktop/10.0/help/index.html#/The_architecture_of_a_geodatabase/003n000000r4000000/. An item’s metadata is now stored in the GDB_Items table in the Documentation column. At the bottom are links to topics that cover the new geodatabase schema in detail for individual RDBMSs. The Documentation column doesn’t have the same data type in all RDBMSs.

  12. markaroo says:

    Is it possible to import metadata created in ArcGIS10 to a 9.3.1 SDE geodatabase? The import is failing for me.

    When I export a feature class from a FGDB in ArcGIS10 to a 9.3.1 SDE geodatabase, the metadata is not coming over with the layer. Even when I open the Metadata Editor (in ArcGIS 10 Desktop) and run Import metadata and select by FGDB feat class, or an exported .xsl1 file, the import fails. The process log shows some validation errors. The metadata was created under the metadata style setting for FGDC CSDGM from Customize > ArcCatalog Options > Metadata tab.

  13. avienneau says:

    Yes, it is possible to get metadata created in an ArcGIS 10 geodatabase into a 9.3.1 geodatabase. Please contact technical support so that you can get appropriate help with your import/export issue. If I try to guess what you are doing based on the comments you posted I would be doing just that — guessing.

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